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 Post subject: What's the difference between all these terms?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:29 pm 
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The pattern I am currently knitting uses these terms:

yfwd = yarn forward
yon = yarn over needle
yrn = yarn round needle

I don't understand what I am meant to do differently because I thought all these things meant the same!

But when it says: P5, yon, K1, yfwd, yrn, P4, then I am obviously meant to do something other than just a Yarn Over but what?

(The pattern is from Simply Knitting so I'm assuming these are UK knitting terms!)


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 Post subject: Re: What's the difference between all these terms?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:41 pm 
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yfwd means bring your yarn forward as if to purl ie under the needle but dont take it back over the needle which would make an extra stitch or lacy hole
yon means is what you would do above but on a purl row
yrn, you are probably familiar with that one and is used both on knit and purl rows so for a knit row bring yarn forward as if to purl but then take it back over the needle and continue with the next stitch probably being a knit so for a purl row it is simply the reverse of that.

hope my descriptions make sense. they do all mean different things

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 Post subject: Re: What's the difference between all these terms?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:34 pm 
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Apollonia wrote:
The pattern I am currently knitting uses these terms:

yfwd = yarn forward
yon = yarn over needle
yrn = yarn round needle

I don't understand what I am meant to do differently because I thought all these things meant the same!

But when it says: P5, yon, K1, yfwd, yrn, P4, then I am obviously meant to do something other than just a Yarn Over but what?

(The pattern is from Simply Knitting so I'm assuming these are UK knitting terms!)


It's the different transitions between purl and knit. So when you are going from purl to knit, you do yarn over needle to make an extra stitch. When you are going from knit to purl you bring the yarn forward first, then put it back over the needle and bring it forward again to loop it so you again get an extra stitch. They are fairly similar, it's where you have your yarn that counts. The main difference is with yarn round you have the yarn going all around the needle while yarn over only goes over the top of the needle. The yarn forward bit just gets your yarn in the right position (can be used in other stitches that don't involve increases, such as when you wrap a stitch in sock knitting).

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 Post subject: Re: What's the difference between all these terms?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:38 am 
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I would assume that the extract you copied would yield an increase of either two or three stitches - I'd check the stitch count for that row and check it against the amount of stitches you think you should increase and decrease though.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:28 pm 
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I would read that as "purl 5, YO, K1, YO, purl 4. If I'm right the pattern will have 2 lace holes either side of one central stitch. I think they're just using a clumsy way of explaining how to put a yarnover between a knit stitch and a purl stitch. You do bring the yarn to the front then all the way round again to get a YO in that position.


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 Post subject: Re: What's the difference between all these terms?
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Thanks for the help everyone!

I think mongrel has hit the nail on the head - it is a very clumsy way of saying YO between knit & purl stitches. I experimented and found that if I didn't do a YO at every 'yrn' and 'yon' then I didn't have enough stitches on the needle for the following row.

Thanks again.


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 Post subject: Re: What's the difference between all these terms?
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glad it makes sense now, i kept re-reading what I'd written wondering if i'd got it right still not sure even though i wrote it with my knitting in my hand. well done mongrel

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